Thanks For Coming, Please Read.

[ShadowHawk]

If you are here, It is either because you want to continue to learn from me, or you want to bash me.... Ok, probably not the second because real wicca practitioners would never ever ever do that.... right?

So, why am I here now?

Unlike most people, I will not be pulling punches...

I started in the wiccan Together forum because my apprentice said I really should share my knowledge.
I thought it a bas Idea at first, but she convinced me, and so I started.
At the time, It was a great place.

I got into a discussion about how I teach with a few of the members there, and I was told that people could get the wrong I dea.

Of course, My point of view is, then they can move along, and I will continue with others.
then the discussion turned to if I should take on a student that had been asking me to teach them.
I personally thought the student was not a good candidate, but was told by others in Chat that if they ask, I am supposed to teach (I personally disagree with that sentiment, but I was willnig to see how it turned out.)

So, What happened?

wel, I had a young girl that was lonely for her husband and came into chat with a bad demeanor.
I asked her if she wanted to talk, and she eventually told me she was lonely for her husband.
I then gave her a simple ritual to associate her husband with the teddy bear he gave her. (this is important because it is what is missing from her version of events, and it makes other pieces make more sense.)

Then, she begged me to teach her more.
I gave all the warnings that I would say things that would make her uncomforatble, that I would make her look at herself in a new light etc.. etc..

Of Course, stupid me, I forgot I was dealing with someone I could not see face to face, so when she jumped at the idea, I started teaching her in chat....

Now, You can look at that transcript two ways. either as the lesson it was meant to be, or as preying on her like she is claiming.

Here is the fallacies of her claim....
She expects people to believe that I was trying to con her into coming out to NJ from Texas, at my expense, Where my wife and three kids are, just so she could have sex with me in order for me to teach her...
the cost of that is at least $1000.
I live in the NY metro area, For $1000 I can get asian tripletts and A midget manager for a night for $1000, and still get change back. and I would not have to do anything but have sex with them....
However, this 19 year old seems to think that she is not only worth that $1000, but also 2/3rds of everything I own and everything I will make over the rest of my life (what my wife would get in the divorce settlement.)

the more likely answer is that I was trying to teach her to chose her words carefully.
Read the transcript she is sending around.
5 times she stated speciffically that she would "do anything" to learn.
at one point she finally realize what that anything could entail, and made a statement about not being comfortable with that. I then asked her if she was now modifying her position to which she responded "no." then she went further to say that if ti was really required, she would do it.

Now, interestingly enough, If you look at the timestamps, this whole conversation was mroe than 3 hours long....

If it was causing her that much problems, like she later claimed, then she could have said at anytime, I am uncomfortable, I want to stop....

What would I have done?
Flew to texas and forced her to continue?

the Teddy Bear, and her alledged "proof"
Remember I gave her the ritual to link the Teddy Bear to her husband.
Also remember that during the conversation she started talking about Sex Magic, and wanted to know about it.

Because she was lonely, I gave her a sex Magic rite to do in the privacy of her home, that would strengthen the bears link to her and her husband - conduit.
The tantrick Magic ritual is actually common place.

Also, remember I told her the reason why Most Sex magic is not published.
Because it can be abused, and I gave her an example of how....

So now we are to believe that not only am I willing to blow over $1000 to imprto her just for sex reasons, but that I am going to warn her about it first and still want her to come.....

If what she said was really true (about me being a predator) then the more likely scenerio would have been:

I would want her to perform on webcam
I would fly out there (where my wife would never know)
And I would not warn her about any aspect of it in advance.

Now, if you want to suspend logic and believe her, I can not stop you.
If you can see where and what I was doing and what I was trying to teach her, and you are thick skinned enough to tolerate me and my ecclectic methods, then by all means stay!

[Zara]

greetings,

I am one of those who truly love your way of teaching.
I am one of those who said that you had to teach the one who asked for your teachings, even if you felt it was not a good Idea.
I am one of those who warned you about misinterpretation of your public posts.

I do appologize if my advises was wrong in any way.

When I read your lessons, I feel like if I was reading back my past experiences and discoveries...and then, as it is written in a new way, and in a new language, it helps me understand concepts that I may forget with time. It makes me feel like home, somehow...

When I told you that you had to teach this student, I didn't meant that you had to get to the rough topics before she is ready for it. I was just telling that bringing her to get ready for that, gradually and softly, was a part of the teaching, and that would also teach you something, anyhow. I didn't meant to cause you any trouble at all...

When I warned you from misinterpretation, it is because I felt something would happenned. because from the chats and the posts, examples being mainly related to sexuality (for good reasons, I know, you stated them very well) I knew that someone somewhere would get offended or bullied one way or another. I know you thought that ppl who disliked it would just have to not read it... but, first, someone actually have to read before knowing if they like it or not, and second, things doesn't work that way in real world, and especially virtual world. thinking that odds would move away, would be kind of... mmm utopia?

Anyway, I am sad that all this situation happened and I don't think that you were the bad guy in all this... maybe a little awkward though. But hey, nobody's perfect... but everyone is amazing and unique and special. As you are to me.

may you be blessed

[magickbynature]

Merry Meet,
I saw this unfold on the Main Page of Wiccantogether...and was shocked by it all. It was so obvious that this was blown out of porportion. What effected me was what seemed like a witch hunt against you. I am a High Priestess to my own Coven and have been taught Sex Magick by my HP. This was truly a sign of immaturity and I support your decision to move on and continue your path. I think you can do great things here, and Blessed Be for an open forum to express yourself. A special thank you to GoldenWolf who I have been speaking to and who told me of this sight.

Many Blessings

[ShadowHawk]

Willow !!!!
I love you will will you marry me.... provided my wife approves.....?

Can you please post all the lessons you copied into a group here for me (or in the main forums)!

I am sure everyone here will appreciate it, and I will owe you my undying gratitude.... or at least dinner and drinks :)

[Timber Wolf]

Merry Meet,
I just want you to know that as an Eclectic / Celtic Pagan /Wiccan of 24 years experience,I know just how you feel.For almost 2 years I have been trying to teach 2 people in my town "The Old Ways" because they said they wanted to learn and yet they still feel what I am trying to teach them is nothing more then a bunch of bull----.About 7 months ago I had 2 more people ask me to start teaching them as well and about 2 months later another person asked me to teach her.The last 3 I decided to teach,I decided to see how much they were willing to learn and take serious and how much they thought was a joke.I gave them 25 question test and had them decode Dragon Script without the use of a decoding sheet,all 3 passed with very little trouble,the 2 I have been teaching for 2 years are still to afraid to take my test for some reason,I really don't know what they are so afraid of.I was told I made the tests to easy,my cousin on the other hand said they were not bad,but I could have made them a little longer (she is a retired school teacher from NY).Anyways,the 2 I have been teaching for about 2 years now I am seriously thinking about binding their powers and putting some type of spell on them to make them forget what I have taught them already,does anybody know a good spell to do that???But,to get back on track here,like I said,I know exactly how you feel,it's hard to know who to trust and who not to trust when trying to teach somebody something.I feel that you are doing what is right and I hope you can give me some advice on what to do about the 2 I started to teach but I feel like all they are doing is wasting my time and my energy.I am looking foward to talking with you more on this.

Blessed Be,
*~~Wolfie2007~~*